tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post130768533970232713..comments2023-11-05T05:00:28.063-05:00Comments on Atkinson Reporter 2: Atkinson Selectmen mull selective rule application againUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-50614044809595323072011-05-22T20:33:43.408-04:002011-05-22T20:33:43.408-04:00Whose bible? Gods or the devils ? If it be the de...Whose bible? Gods or the devils ? If it be the devil has one?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-40190372577188537662011-05-21T08:58:33.433-04:002011-05-21T08:58:33.433-04:00When you make the agreement you keep it. To put i...When you make the agreement you keep it. To put in sprinklers you keep your agreement. PERIOD. It is the condition ZBA allowed you to build at all. <br /><br />You gotta keep your word. Or you can't be trusted. No credibility if you break your agreements. Still living in the house with no permit? That embarrass the town. You make our board of selectmen look rediculous like they can't enforce the law or do anything. You damage the selectmens reputations and the towns reputation by your selfishness. The selectmen and ZBA deserve more repect and for you to keep all the agreements you make with them. And the selectmen must follow the law. They swore an oath with one raised hand and the other on a bible. <br /><br />My opinionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-63452124141294575712011-05-12T10:16:23.500-04:002011-05-12T10:16:23.500-04:00So the lack of sprinklers constitutes a suicide at...So the lack of sprinklers constitutes a suicide attempt? You sound like the media hype I see no network tv.<br /><br />Your position is extreme. By your standard, there are thousands of properties around the state owned by suicidal people then.<br /><br />Smoke detectors save lives. Sprinkler systems do not. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-60228125539136271832011-05-12T09:45:05.592-04:002011-05-12T09:45:05.592-04:00Sure Atkinson has less fire death's than most ...Sure Atkinson has less fire death's than most towns. I am sure the family that grieves that death wouldn't like that comment. 1 death in 10 years is enough. I guess if people want to build their homes without sprinklers than they should sign a waiver of liability that the Town services would not be responsible if their were devestating fire to a home. Smoke detectors do save lives, and sprinklers can give time to save lives and save the property. If you have properties that are non accessible to fire trucks, then go ahead and take your chances. Who are we to question your suicide attempt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-36960689109143288532011-05-11T16:30:46.574-04:002011-05-11T16:30:46.574-04:00Easy. No crime, no problem, no tower.Easy. No crime, no problem, no tower.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-54023128494098922812011-05-11T09:42:11.454-04:002011-05-11T09:42:11.454-04:00Listen to all the safety purist, hypochrites. Wha...Listen to all the safety purist, hypochrites. What a bunch of wind. As soon as someone asks you to open your checkbooks or do something in the name of public saftey that inconveniences you, you'll be first in line to loudly object.<br /><br />You'll never convince me we need sprinkler systems. Create whatever images you like, you sound like media hype bullship. Someone's making money off our backs and it ain't me. Follow the money trail for the truth. Who's installing all these systems?<br /><br />We desparately needed a $700,000 communications tower too according to our town experts. Lives were at stake every day remember?<br /><br />Write a warrant article and vote on it. Apply the same rules to all. Then the debate can end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-48881531216293883872011-05-10T19:46:41.896-04:002011-05-10T19:46:41.896-04:00The Osborns have it worked out correct. There are ...The Osborns have it worked out correct. There are no fire deaths. So no need for sprinklers. No need for fire station firetrucks, firemen, fire chief. And since no crime don't need no police station, police cars, policemen, police chief. My property taxes just went down a bundle. Thanks Maggie for pointing the way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-16968109301124841692011-05-10T16:48:49.496-04:002011-05-10T16:48:49.496-04:005:10 @ 2:47 - I agree with you about your sprinkl...5:10 @ 2:47 - I agree with you about your sprinkler response ,however, the real issue here is that fire apparatus can't get over unpaved to narrow muddy roads in time to extinguish a fire. It is a known fact that they can get stuck with the heavy water load they carry. To expect a fire truck to pass over an unpaved surface safely on a narrow unpaved roadway is outrageous . Any home owner who has a driveway or unpaved roadway leading to their home should have thought about the potential fire hazards before signing for ownership. The town should have had sense enough to enforce the RSA fire laws long before any ones home occupancy is given. The banks and credit unions are not paying attention to their mortgage investment monetary profit returns to say the least. It appears that safety isn't an issue by the town and the lenders when it comes to fire loss because of failing to enforce fire safety laws. Like it was said earlier by some one that wrote about crispy results from a fire ,its not a sight to see. One human or animal death from a fire is more than enough at any time any where.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-62403411012586904522011-05-10T14:47:15.363-04:002011-05-10T14:47:15.363-04:00Does anyone even know when the last accidental fir...Does anyone even know when the last accidental fire death happened in Atkinson? Come on "First Responders", you must remember. I do! And how many accidental fire deaths have there been in NH over the last 10 years. Sorry sprinkler-ists, the 5 to 10K cost to have new homes "sprinkled" would be better spent on cancer, lung or heart research.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-24331811279499933822011-05-10T09:51:19.903-04:002011-05-10T09:51:19.903-04:00Well, good old Osborns were required to have sprin...Well, good old Osborns were required to have sprinklers installed to get their building permit. Then they don't put them in the walls. Then violate poor Ms Davis land. Then live night and day in the fire trap!<br /><br />Ok, now that we got our facts straight, who are not doing their jobs here? <br /><br />Is there anybody in town who can bleat at the microphone and explain WHY the fire codes, laws and rules are not enforced in Atkinson? We simple townsfolk would like to know. <br /><br />Seems you could get the sprinklers IN or get them OUT but please do something to protect them from themselves soon. <br /><br />My opinionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-47615993624432961252011-05-10T07:33:18.893-04:002011-05-10T07:33:18.893-04:005/9 @ 6:17, I think your mistaken when you say ...5/9 @ 6:17, I think your mistaken when you say every new/old home in Atkinson would have to have a sprinkler system. The train layover issues haven't been resolved nor near any reality . If you knew what was really going on you wouldn't have made the mistakes you have on either issue. Before you write get your facts straight and stop trying to put everyone on a merry go round of your own fear driven turmoil. And that is not just my humble opinion , its fact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-67733727826314702712011-05-09T21:24:45.079-04:002011-05-09T21:24:45.079-04:00While we are debating issues that our selectmen wo...While we are debating issues that our selectmen won't answer questions for, they are setting another fire to further take our money away from us. Why are we not taking their power away from them?<br /><br />People rule but not unless we get the crooks out of our government. <br /><br /><br />USA, USA, USA..............Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-32280275767268046862011-05-09T18:19:25.412-04:002011-05-09T18:19:25.412-04:00AMEN !!!AMEN !!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-90578360388323879922011-05-09T18:17:00.665-04:002011-05-09T18:17:00.665-04:00The same tribe of residents that wanted the $800,0...The same tribe of residents that wanted the $800,000 communications tower in the center of town now wants sprinklers in every home. $$$! Where does it all end? Only issue that's even more ridiculous is Plaistow and Atkinson getting together to build a 25 million dollar train layover on the border. Plaistow is ready to negotiate. Have our leaders lost their minds?<br /><br />my-not-so-humble-opinionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-20399569389979818512011-05-09T16:01:58.804-04:002011-05-09T16:01:58.804-04:00All these rules are useless if the selectmen don&#...All these rules are useless if the selectmen don't enforce them. Selectmen ruin lives when they don't enforce the rules on the books. Selectmen use rules to gain power and punish taxpayers. That's the long and short of it, so don't vote for anymore rules that take your right away.<br /><br />tjafAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-28588280870895343002011-05-09T15:52:58.080-04:002011-05-09T15:52:58.080-04:00"Omg, omg!!! The smoke detector is blaring. Y..."Omg, omg!!! The smoke detector is blaring. You lazy bum, wake UP. Omg, omg, Tina is not in her bedroom. Call the firemen. What do you mean the wires are already melted, DO something! No, the garden hose will not work, the electrical panel is out, can't you tell it's the flames in the hallway now and we can't get out... you moron! Look out the windows, see our neighbors, they will rescue us. We are a wonderful, warm and fuzzy. What do you mean they are sitting on lawn chairs putting franks on sticks!! Omg we should have put in the sprinklers. Listen to Chief Murphy next time???? What do you mean next time? There is not going to be a NEXT time."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-46850177357166370022011-05-09T15:52:07.386-04:002011-05-09T15:52:07.386-04:00There is a lot of concepts of why one should have ...There is a lot of concepts of why one should have a sprinkler system. Narrow roads access, smoke alarms not functioning, time of fire fighters arrival and etc.,etc. One thing comes to my mind in any given panic situation when running out of a burning home before help arrives. Any person ,young or old, can fall and go unconscious ,break a back ,leg[s], etc.and not be capable of exiting a burning home and die in the fire. In the case of the Osborns and any others with a similar situation I'd rather see a sprinkler system in the home[s]than a crisply burnt body that would be in a closed casket. The town would be wise to enforce the use of sprinkler systems in the hindered road ways that prevent fire apparatus to respond as quickly as possible. Even if there is no loss of life a sprinkler system can be a saving feature of the property and most if not all contents of the home involved . Please do not change any thing as it stands now!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-68816350376778241132011-05-09T14:21:41.709-04:002011-05-09T14:21:41.709-04:00According to the NHAB, the National Association of...According to the NHAB, the National Association of Home Builders:<br /><br />While they should remain an option for home owners who choose them, fire sprinklers in single-family homes are expensive to install, can be difficult to maintain and do not represent a cost-effective safety improvement over smoke alarm systems. For that reason, NAHB does not support measures to mandate their use. <br /><br />Tradeoffs are a false incentive.<br /><br />Fire sprinkler manufacturers state that the net cost may be very low per household and cite the possibility of development tradeoffs, like narrower streets and fewer fire hydrants. However, negotiating for those tradeoffs is difficult because local ordinances and planning rules are not consistent from community to community. And there is no demonstrable savings in infrastructure costs for the jurisdiction – when as little as 3 percent of a fire fighter's time is spent battling house fires, installing fire sprinklers in new homes will not have a significant impact. Furthermore, if reductions in fire safety provisions can be permitted in other areas if sprinklers are mandated, then why require sprinklers if no net benefit is gained? Tradeoffs verify the argument that current fire safety provisions in building codes and planning already are adequate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-64692302344819933752011-05-09T14:13:03.139-04:002011-05-09T14:13:03.139-04:00On sprinkler systems:
Sprinkler systems don't...On sprinkler systems:<br /><br />Sprinkler systems don't save lives, smoke detectors do. Sprinkler systems save property. Smoke detectors save lives.<br /><br />Requiring sprinkler systems is a ridiculous burden for property owners. As long as you have smoke detectors in all the right places and be sure they are working (check battery regularly if not hardwired), you will get sufficient warning to get out. By tht time the temperature gets hot enough to set off a sprinkler, odds are you're already dead. Plus you get plenty of water damage from the sprinklers.<br /><br />While sprinkler manufacturers and installers assert that residential fire sprinklers add a necessary measure of safety for a home's occupants, there have been no studies demonstrating the efficacy of fire sprinklers with smoke alarms versus smoke alarms alone. <br /><br />These advocates do agree that fire sprinklers should be not installed without also installing smoke alarms – because the most important thing to do in a house fire is to get out of the house.<br /><br />The sprinkler argument is BS. We don't need sprinklers for residential homes. I say we draft a warrant article and put it to the voters to settle it once and for all.<br /><br />Read this one: http://www.smokealarmswork.org/voters/index.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-86760247471712435172011-05-09T07:31:35.409-04:002011-05-09T07:31:35.409-04:00By CNHT | March 8, 2011
by Ed Naile
I have four p...By CNHT | March 8, 2011<br />by Ed Naile<br /><br />I have four pygmy goats, Moxie, Snyder, Gordon, and Clyde. They are perfect practice for understanding New Hampshire’s traditional Town Meetings.<br /><br />They live in two adjoined stalls in the winter – 20’ x 10’. That is their little town, Barnville, with a school of sorts within its own boundaries.<br /><br />They mill about and climb on things like their dog crates. Each has one of their own.<br /><br />Clyde is new so even though he is a large neutered male pygmy he gets picked on.<br /><br />Gordon is about as smart and sneaky as a goat can get. He likes to stare in your face like a dermatologist would. He is a neutered male.<br /><br />Next is Snyder. She has horns and a fluffy, downy coat. She avoids controversy and stays to herself as much as she can in a small town like Barnville.<br /><br />Moxie is the smallest of our pygmies. Her stubby little legs can’t be more than seven inches long. She is a talker – and a fighter. No other goat wants in on a head-butt competition with Moxie.<br /><br />When I open the Barnville doors, the tiny town comes to attention – like I am the Moderator or something. And they are pretty well organized into their locations near a feed trough, gate, or dog crate.<br /><br />But all I have to do is show them a bag of cheese doodles and panic sets in – they behave like midget wild beasts.<br /><br />They love cheese doodles – Moxie not so much, pretzels are her weakness, but she gets caught up in the frenzy as most of us would.<br /><br />Gordon head-butts Clyde and Snyder, Snyder climbs on Clyde’s dog crate and bites him on the top of his head if he tries to come out, after Gordon chases him in. And Moxie stands her ground and intimidates anyone coming into her space.<br /><br />I would have to say that the cheese doodles are almost like a town budget or warrant article brought before a human town meeting.<br /><br />At town and school meetings you have the same personalities in humans as you do with goats.<br /><br />You have your typical pygmies, neutered males, and passive aggressive types slamming heads over some free treat.<br /><br />Next, I plan on installing a microphone in Barnville and check the goats for insatiable egos. If Moxie parks herself in front of that microphone and bleats a blue streak for two hours then I will have proven Town Meetings evolved from more civilized animals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-53294595436032068322011-05-08T09:57:54.388-04:002011-05-08T09:57:54.388-04:00The town does what they want. Interprets laws as ...The town does what they want. Interprets laws as they please, misquotes them, intimidates citizens. Makes rulings against citizens that are wrong. Here's why-- they can make a phone call to any attorney anywhere in the country, even a very very expensive one from New York City and the town insurance company must pick up the bill. The average citizen of the town doesn't stand a chance, have the money to fight back. Gives up fighting for their rights that got taken away. <br /><br />The BOS spent $70,000.00 for a years insurance premium. NICE. Tell us BOS. When will you stop covering your mistakes and harming citizens using taxpayer dollars. <br /><br />It is my opinion there should be a special town meeting to discuss this outrage and start to recall town officials and their employees who do not follow the laws of the state.. Then the insurance will drop from $70,000.00 taxpayer dollars back to the normal $11,000 taxpayer dollars. That's what will happen when the insufferable problem town officials are gone and sent packing. Then we can live in Atkinson without fear.<br /><br />JMHumbleOAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-53377220532795585392011-05-07T18:02:13.392-04:002011-05-07T18:02:13.392-04:00Can't understand why all these people quibble ...Can't understand why all these people quibble over 10,000 dollars to install sprinkler systems. The State does encourage this for the building codes. You want to build a house, get it inspected, that the heating, electrical, gas pipes, plumbing are all to code so your house is safe, but all of you must think that your house could never burn down, because the Fire dept can't get there in enough time? Its not their fault, they volunteer to save lives. Have you ever considered looking at the reponse time of a fire depts, well add another 10-20 minutes when the truck can't get in. A volunterr dept takes longer to get there, so Hampstead Fire would probably get there first.Dont be so stupid to put your lives in jeapardy at a monetary cost. New houses burn down too you know. The State code is there to SAVE your LIFE, especially when access to a property is restricted. GROW UP!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-28184128558328196752011-05-07T16:54:25.667-04:002011-05-07T16:54:25.667-04:00CorrectCorrectAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-17071493336043559922011-05-07T16:39:16.236-04:002011-05-07T16:39:16.236-04:00"Because of that waiver, if the house burned ..."Because of that waiver, if the house burned down the town has no liability in a lawsuit."<br /><br />So the husband and wife die in the flames trying to save their children! The house is reduced to ashes and the dog is so badly burned the fireman has to kill it with his spade.<br /><br />And the only thing the Board Of Selectmen care about is if they are sued or not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7874347369787241443.post-37369523194266249802011-05-07T13:08:36.289-04:002011-05-07T13:08:36.289-04:00Excuse me, where is the due diligence making it a ...Excuse me, where is the due diligence making it a requirement for a homeowner to have sprinklers, to get a building permet and then ignore your rules and thumb their nose.<br /><br /> If I want to build or keep my new addition I will just ignore you as I know I can do whatever I want as you let your friends go against your rules and build how they want. I will turn my lawyer loose on you and I will win.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com