From the Eagle Tribune;
Atkinson sues to get family out of home
By Eric Parry
eparry@eagletribune.com
BRENTWOOD — Atkinson has filed a lawsuit in Rockingham Superior Court to force a Valcat Lane family out of their home.
Margaret and Daniel Osborn have been living in their home for months without an occupancy permit, according to court documents. The town is seeking a permanent injunction against the Osborns for living in their home without the occupancy permit.
The lawsuit also asks the Osborns to post a $50,000 bond to pay for fines associated with local violations and town attorney's fees.
Margaret Osborn had no comment on the lawsuit when reached by telephone yesterday.
Previously, she had said they had complied with all of the town's building and zoning codes. She had said they were being harassed by town officials.
Town officials have been battling with the Osborns for years, but this is the first time the town has filed a lawsuit.
The Osborns were served with a violation notice in December for living in the house without an occupancy permit, yet they continue to live there, according to court documents.
In order to receive an occupancy permit, town officials had to inspect the house, including the sprinklers the Osborns were ordered to install in May 2008.
The Atkinson Fire Department told the Osborns the home had to have sprinklers because they were unable to meet access requirements for police and fire vehicles, according to the lawsuit.
The Osborns were given a variance by the town's zoning board in June 2007 to build a 2,587-square-foot house.
The Osborns requested a final inspection of the home in January, but later withdrew the request, even though they were living in the house.
The town has asked the court to expedite a hearing, but one has not been scheduled.
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i actually enjoy your posting choice, very unique.
don't give up as well as keep creating in all honesty , because it just good worth to read it.
excited to look over a whole lot more of your own articles, enjoy your day :)
Maggie had no comment? Now there is a first. Perhaps Daniel finally told her to SHUT UP. That would be the best advice he could give her, BUT she won't be able to do it for long. Experience says she's out telling more made up lies about how the Town is harrassing her and her family.
So many enemies and SOOOOOOOO little time, right Maggie?
"Why's EVERYBODY always PICKIN ON ME"?
Must be Maggie's favorite song.
I actually get a kick out of watching the osborns breaking the laws and violating codes. maybee this time they will be held accountable for there actions !!!!
Spring must be upon us. Maggie Osborn was heard singing her favorite song through her open illegal windows. It goes something like this:
They're coming to take me away, HA HA
They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!
To the happy home
With trees and flowers and chirping birds
And basket weavers who sit and smile
And twiddle their thumbs and toes
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!
whats that I smell, oh, just your friendly neighborhood duck juices.
thank god I don't have to step in it. so who issued the drive permit?
do they actually review records? this is a collosal f-up on the town's part. we will all continue to pay for this one. quack quack quack.
hope the selectman can look in the mirror evry morning and live in their skins, must be hard.
quack, quack, quack
LOL
maggie&danny boy just grow up and take some responsibility for your actions!
I think Maggie SHOULD be the one that has trouble looking in the mirror, Selectmen are doing their job.
Reading the lawsuit it looks like Osborns will be paying for BOTH sides expenses.
See how much being STUPID will cost in the end? Osborns don't.......that's how stupid THEY are.
Why did they have to be sooooo greedy? Greedy = stupid
Is it possible to disagree on the facts without racial epithets about illegal immigration, and comments about the Osborns kids?
Such comments will continue to be removed.
What are you people gonna say when Atkinson loses in court? Let me guess. you'll say the Osbourns knew the judge and it was fixed. Yeah, thats it. They bribed the jury. Yeah it couldn't be possible we sheep are wrong.
Your so blinded by rage and jealousy and your inferiority complex you cant handle the truth. I see it and I see Atkinson losing. I can't wait to blog on and SLAM YOU LOSERS TO THE MAT. Its just too easy pickins. Your stupidity is only superceded by your inability to objectively look at reality and facts. The documents submitted to the court from Kalman paint half a picture. Wait until you get this kick in the ba--s. We'll forever lable you as Sheep of Valcat lane. Blindly following the selectmen's misdirection and lies. Not caring to look objectively cause it sounded toooo good. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. here come the selectmen now bend over sheep. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
To Anon March 20, 2010 12:22 PM
First of all Maggie, you start with a false premise and then try to spin it into a valid argument. You may have got away with it in the past, but not anymore.
Facts
The Town has given you every opportunity to make your case, and you've tried to bluff and lie your way through every time.
The Selectmen have made their legal case with the court and outlined every involvement and communication with you. All they wanted was for you to comply with the conditions of your building permit. You on the other hand wouldn't and couldn't comply because you intentionally did everything wrong, thinking your friends in high places wouldn't hold you accountable. You were wrong. You gambled and lost so now have to pay up.
Selectmen and taxpayers are not blinded by rage, jealousy and inferiority complex, because there is nothing to be jealous of. They only feel pity that people like you think they can bully their way to get their way. You and Daniel have a sickness that is fatal. Better people than you have died by the same sickness, and it won't end with you.
The Town is not going to lose their case against you and neither is Carol Davis. Because of you, your husband is going to have a criminal record for the rest of his life. It appears that you will go bankrupt and spend the rest of your life trying to recover. The honest Atkinson people would like to know from you, was it worth it?
The Osborns are detestable and they did it to themselves. No wonder they don’t have any friends of consequence. Birds of a feather after all. Move………Osborns………Move! Don’t depend on the Chief alone.
How bout the party is at the big beach? Start at noon on Sunday. We need 4 or 5 grills and everyone has to bring a lawn chair and umbrella. The kids can make sand castles. How bout we have a contest for the best sand McMansion?
Look forward to the cold beer and steak tips. Only the best.
Been thinking up my naughty toasts but don't want to tell ya know. But I have a toast for the ducks, pond scum, mag and dan, McMansions, Mr. Polito and the ZBA, Jack Sapia and all his support, the BOS and all their good efforts, the planning board members, the APD and the Detective. Now who did I forget?
Anyway, I am staying up late nights working on my "toasts". Hope you do too!
It's a shame we can't have the party at the small beach at hemlock heights. It was small to begin with and since the Osborns ran a driveway over part of it, well it would ruin our good cheer to look at that.
So the Big Beach it is. Date depends on the court eviction date.
Ohhh... This is gonna be so much fun. We got to snarf some people and grab em by the arms and legs and throw them in the lake. You guys better bring a set of dry clothes along if it's cold that day.
If weather forcasts rain we book the Atkinson Country Club. Think it's big enough to handle the crowd?
Here's a toast to Bob Patterson.
He and his diving team removed the Mil-foil problem in Big Island Pond. This was the only alternative to dumping 100 tons of nasty herbicide into the lake... has saved fish...and children... and allowed Atkinson citizens to use the lake all summer for the last two years!!! Yeah!!!
So...."Here is to Bob Patterson and the Dive Team! You keep Big Island Pond clean and safe for all of us! We love you!"
And....a toast to the Department of Environmental Services:
"Here's to you DES boys for the ba..s to get the court order and the big black machines and scoop the Osborn gunk from our beautiful lake! We love you!"
"Here's to.....
Whoever defends the Osbornes here(the Osbornes I expect) is completely delusional; I expect that when you begin to believe your own bullshit, that's when you're really in trouble...
Hey 12:20
You say we are only seeing half the picture in the court filings, well ok, where are your FACTS?
What do YOU have to show us that would make us believe the selectmen are lying as you say?
Lets hear your case
Osborns don't have a case to prove their position for the Superior Court judge. Why would you think they could possibily have a case to present to honest people here on this blog?
Oh, maybe their cases got mixed in with the Carol Davis suit. Either way they don't have a case there either, sooooooo can't produce any facts here either.
Hey Mag and Don.......was all your deciet and deception worth it or are you starting to regret all your lies?
jatqfmo
TO ANON 12:17 3/21 I myself cannot wait to party it up and I am sure we are not the only ones..And i wish Maggie would just tell us why ? why do you think you are going to win this case against the town. So please tell we all are just dieing to know I MEAN REALLY IF YOU KNOW SO MUCH TELL US!!! YOU DON'T HOLD BACK ON HARASSING YOUR NEIGHBORS CALLING THEM POND SCUM DUCK SHIT !!!IF YOU CAN FLAP YOU MOUTH ABOUT THAT PLEASE START FLAPPING ABOUT HOW YOU ARE GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS ONE !
YOUR FRIENLY POND SCUM HILLBILLIES
Why don't the Osborns just slink out of town under the cover of darkness, and default to the Town and Mrs. Davis? They new property will be aquired by the Town and we can turn it into a community center for all the honest people that don't have lakefront property to enjoy.
What a fitting memorial to people like the Osborns who just can't be trusted to do the right thing.
mo
They new property will be aquired by the Town and we can turn it into a community center for all the honest people that don't have lakefront property to enjoy.
THAT IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA THAT WOULD BE A NICE PLACE FOR FAMILY'S AND KIDS!
You can always tell when a true
pond person blogs because they're
unable to spell. You should spend time at the library working on basic reading and writing. Maybe even consider going for your G.E.D.. Just my humble opinion folks.
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"THAT IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA THAT WOULD BE A NICE PLACE FOR FAMILY'S AND KIDS!"
"So please tell we all are just dieing to know"
OK OK MISS spelling critic.. I will admit yes that was a lot of misspelled words but you see I can admit that I was wrong and yes I made a mistake. see I was at work and was just trying to blog quickly. But Unlike some people, "NO NEED TO Mention NAMES" I CAN ADMIT WHEN I AM WRONG. AND MAKE MISTAKES UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE WHO CAN NOT OWN UP TO ANYTHING THEY DO OR SAY.
carol
NO YELLING
IHAVE NOT BEENE POSTING SO LEAVE ME OFF OF THIS PLEASE PLEASE
THANKSYOU FOR UNDERSTANDTING
have some pride and consider yourself duck juice. thats much nicer than pond scum even though it
probably consists of duck juice. just not 100% pure.
TO THE NEIGHBOR TRYING TO SEEM LIKE ME PLEASE STOP. YOU ARE NOT HELPING ME!
LOL this is ridiculous. You people need help!
TO THE NEIGHBOR TRYING TO SEEM LIKE ME PLEASE STOP. YOU ARE NOT HELPING ME!
March 22, 2010 2:52 PM
How can you seem like someone???
anywho
people post anon for a reason ..hmm to remain anonymous ....durr so don't assume that one person is posting you could be wrong.. imagine that!
Wow, just finished reading the lawsuit against the Osborns by the Town of Atkinson.
If my math is right, they would owe the Town $54,175 dollars plus the Town's legal fees AND whatever the Osborns have to pay their attorney.
That's a LOT OF MONEY! Why did the Town only request a fifty thousand bond to be posted by the Osborns when they are already over that amount?
Knowing how slow the court system is, it could take another year to settle this matter. 365 days X $550/day = $200,750 plus $54,175 that they already owe = $254,925 total as of today. Why didn't the Town ask for a five hundred thousand bond to protect us taxpayers?
Am I missing something here or did the selectmen not do right by us?
Better questions are, are the Osborns even worth that amount of money? Could they pay up on a court decision for the Town? What position does it put the Town in if the Osborns go bankrupt, and where will the money come to pay Mrs. Davis in her suit if Osborns go bankrupt? Who gets first dibs on the Osborn property if they go bankrupt.....the Town or Mrs. Davis?
If all issues can't be satisfied, how many lawsuits against the Osborns or the Town will be filed? Will the taxpayers have to foot the bill if the Osborns go bankrupt and any suits against the Town are won?
So many questions and so little time to get the results compiled. If history prevails, the taxpayers will get screwed.
Thank you town, state and federal government for being so incompetent for your help. We can’t AFFORD you idiots!
We don’t need Town planning boards or ZBA’s to get us into this trouble. We can get ourselves into trouble without you. How do you like Federal Health Care so far? The worst will come shortly.
The Osborns, playtime police chief Duffis, Polito, Childs, Sapia, and all their supporters need to be eradicated from our society, they need to be vanquished from our society.
ALL of these people are WOLVES in SHEEPS CLOTHING. We need to put them on an island where they can eat each other up.
jmho
HOW much SHIT are u willing to PREVAIL in this Town before u are willing to do something to end their REIGN of TERROR in this town?
how much STIT are u willing to put up with your tax dollars, before you will do something to put a stop to it?
Where is the Moderator to remove the foul language? Are the people that uneducated that they have to resort to name calling to express their rancor and displeasure with public figures (current and former)and private citizens in town?
To the person posting that Person X, Y, and Z equal excrement, you give everyone else who posts here a bad reputation and color yourself in the light of immaturity.
Please remove those comments. Foul language does not promote or move forward debate on a subject.
What is with this blog and bloggers! It seems to have lost all relevence to the subject matter. Please, tell it like it is. Ask questions, post comments from which we can all learn. These personal attacks are horrendous and a waste of time to read. Where is the creativity and great sharing of knowledge that used to be posted here? Thanks and have a wonderful day.
It is what it is and the chief ,sapia, osborns and polito all made names for them selves due to there own actions. WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTEL MORE CLASS .INSTEAD OF RESORTING TO NAME CALLING ON THE BLOG. EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW HOW MUCH OF A PIECE OF DUCK CRAP THEY ARE. LET'S BE THE BIGGER PERSON
It is what it is and the chief ,sapia, osborns and polito all made names for them selves due to there own actions. WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTEL MORE CLASS .INSTEAD OF RESORTING TO NAME CALLING ON THE BLOG. EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW HOW MUCH OF A PIECE OF DUCK CRAP THEY ARE. LET'S BE THE BIGGER PERSON
Howd it work out for osborns at court today. Did they come wih that attorney I saw on TV. Yes? No? Did he go after the judge like the BOS. I wish I coulda been there. Anyway. Did the court Set a date to deal with theSe greedy selfish people stomping on the neighbors?
Osborn's please tell us what happened please tell us how you got away with it all!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone donate to the gop to "Fire Nancey Polosi" fund? Check it out at Firenancypelosi.com
Sorry for being off topic, but it needs attention.
Please don't encourage Maggie to lie. It comes naturally to her. The next thing she'll try to convince you of is that the Judge through the case out and the Town was ordered to pay her fifty million dollars for all the harassment she has suffered. Let her have her privacy so she can figure out how she’s going to pay the fines and judgement. Todays total is $255,475.00 plus the Towns legal fees and her own attorney fees. She needs time to herself before Daniel wakes up to the fact she’s ruined him. .
I just asked DES what would happen with the Osborne lake siltation case if the homeowners went bankrupt. They said nothing.... the new owners of the house would become responsible for the cleanup.
Adelle, all the posters here think that municipal scandal and lawsuits are a new thing. It would be a fun thing to go through our records sometime and find a blast from the past. The 10 year long lawsuit between Dow and the town back in the 1870's comes to mind...
I'm sure everyone is relieved now that Salem toll booths on 93 has become a dead issue. But back in the 50's when Ike wanted interstates and they were trying to ram the original 93 construction through, there were riots in Derry over it...
Tim, I remember those days! I was a very young bride living in Methuen not far from the site where the bridge crosses the Merrimack. Each morning for about a week one of the residents who lived very near the construction site would parade naked waving a small American flag until someone would corral him. Really slowed down traffic. Just another form of protest!
Todays total is $256,025.00 plus the Towns legal fees and Maggie's own attorney fees.
Does anyone know how much that McMansion is worth? Wondering at what point the fines and fees will exceed the value of the property.
At what point will reality overcome stupidity and they move to save the Town fines? Appears that their stupidity is overshadowed by their stubbornness.
This Board is really pretty tame. Back in the 60s there were riots every August at Hampton Beach. One year the Governor had to call in the National Guard. So someone calls you a shit? Big deal!
Went by the osborn shack yesterday. Lights were blazing and their trash by the curb. Definitely they were NOT occupying with no permit yesterday.
They plan to beat the Legal rap. Teflon Dan and his Mol. They got friends in town? Ha, their friends are running for cover.
Read the court filing on the site. How the heck they can slide under the life safety issue? The judge is going to rule the town in jeapardy? Slick Dan and Mol. You are overdue a "rude awakening".
SO NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPEND AT THE COURT DATE HUH? CAN'T BE TOO GOOD BIG MOUTH MAGGIE HAS NOT MADE A PEEP.
Atkinson-Factor
This is off topic also, but you started it. I looked at the web site and its hate filled content. I presume you are angry the health bill passed. First thing it tells me is that you are a Republican.
So, Mr. Republican, why is this bill so bad? Is it bad because insurance companies can no longer say, "You've been sick enough so we're not paying any more medical bills." Is it bad because insurance companies can no longer deny you coverage because you or a child has a pre-existing condition, say, you had the flu once so you are pre-disposed to getting sick. Is it bad because it closes the "donut hole" in seniors drug coverage? Is it bad because you will no longer be forced into bankruptcy if, heaven forbid, you come down with a disease or condition that is extremely expensive to treat. Please, explain to me why these things are bad?
I know why you think it is bad. It is because the Democrats did it, not the Republicans. Never mind they didn't even try. You're outraged because it reeks of Socialism. If you feel that strongly about it then refuse to accept your Social Security checks or your Medicare insurance. While we're at it, down with all these other Socialist programs, like the roads you drive on, the fire and police protection you receive. Hell, if dirt paths were good enough for our founding fathers, they should be good enough for us. You have a water hose? Fight your own fire when your house catches fire. Public Education, despicable. Every kid should pull himself up by his bootstraps and learn what he needs to know on his own.
But, back to planet Earth. What I really fail to understand is the downright contempt the Republicans have for any legislation that is good for Americans. Why are they so adamant Wall Street should not be regulated, never mind that when they are not regulated gas prices go through the roof or cause the closest thing to a depression most of us have seen in our lifetimes. Why is it that the Republicans cannot get it through their heads that every time Wall Street is not regulated, greed takes over and we get handed the bill. I fail to understand why there was no outrage when the Bush administration lied its way into the Iraq war. BTW, they are still looking for those nasty WMD's.
I am fully convinced the Republicans chose the wrong fight and that it will cost them dearly. When Americans finally realize that this was not a communist plot and that it is actually good for them, they will remember who fought so hard against it. Republicans bitterly opposed Social Security and Medicare. What do you think would happen to a candidate today if they proposed dismantling either?
Oh, I know. How about we cut taxes on the rich and wait for it to trickle down. That seems to be their answer for every problem.
"Ignorance breeds monsters to fill up the vacancies of the soul that are unoccupied by the verities of knowledge." – Horace Mann
I hope your children and their children and then the next batch have to pay pay pay pay! You got your change but no hope at all for your little ones future unless they become comrades.
My child has a pre-existing condition. Last week if she went to get insurance on her own, she would get no takers.
Is anyone in your family on Social Security? Call them up and address them as comrade.
Oh, March 24, 2010 4:18 PM, a little modern history lesson for you.
W came into office with a budget surplus. His parting gift to the new president was a deficit with lots of 0's and two wars continuing to rack'em up.
The economic meltdown started on W's watch, as did the bailouts.
To hear most Republicans, these problems started a year ago January. They're quite willing to assign blame but take no responsibility.
Question, how do you think John McCain, a man I once greatly respected, and the bubble head VP pick would have handled the meltdown? Would we be recovering from it, at no cost, or in even deeper than we were?
I've personally seen signs of a recovery. My company is making money again and hiring. I've personally spoken to the heads of other companies and they say the same. A year ago I was scared to death of getting laid off losing and my insurance. And let me tell you, COBRA payments would have been more than my mortgage. This year I got a bonus. Things are not wonderful, but a hell of a lot better than they were. Please, tell me, how did the party of NO help with that?
Oh, one other thing. Did you know Richard Nixon wanted universal health care. Guess we should address him as comrade also.
You guys are off topic. Take it to the Presidental Blog. We are talking about the illegal taking of someones elses property by the Osborns, and are illegally living in a house that doesn't have an occupancy permit.
Why worry about what Washington DC is doing when the Osborns could be taking your property without your permission right here in Atkinson?
Heaven help us if the Osborns graduate to the United States Senate. They would be taking your first born along with your land.
jmho
Blame the moderator. The person directing traffic started it.
To the moderator: Would you please transfer the health care issues to the Presidential Blog, so we can stay on topic?
Those people don't care that the OSBORNS are stealing peoples property right here in Atkinson.
"Those people don't care that the OSBORNS are stealing peoples property right here in Atkinson."
Wow, what an assumption. And, it's not like a topic has ever gone off track here.
jmho
The Presidential Blog has not had a new entry in 2 years. Yep, it will sure get discussed there.
Funny you assume im a repulican, but I can see your point with asking you to look at a republican fundraiser. But anyhow, having government tell you what you need and making you buy it is against all free living americans. Isn't that the reason for starting this country? Too much taxation, and government telling "You" what to do? I don't disagree with helping anyone, but only if it is constitutional!
The Osborn's are thieves and they are not going to stop they will keep stealing property and getting away with breaking laws and codes. until someone puts there foot down.
AF,
In addition to your above post, I've read enough of your posts from the 2008 election to know your political leanings. Why you would seem to imply you are anything other than Republican is disingenuous.
Yes, all Americans will be required to have health care now. However, I am sure you will agree that the majority of uninsured Americans are those how are in the lower income bracket and cannot afford it. Now, people who are denied coverage due to a preexisting condition or people who cannot afford health insurance can sign onto a federally subsidized plan. Seniors will pay less for their prescriptions.
And you, AF, assuming you are employed and have health insurance through your employer will see no difference. In other words, government is NOT telling YOU what to do.
For those who wish to read an unbiased assessment of some of the statements/fear tactics used by some, please visit:
http://factcheck.org/2010/03/a-final-weekend-of-whoppers/
Atkinson Factor,
You write:
"But anyhow, having government tell you what you need and making you buy it is against all free living americans."
Are you saying we do not all NEED health insurance? Do you have it? If so, why? I would love to hear your reasons.
Maggie must have taken quite a beating in her court hearing. We're not getting her usual WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHEN THE COURT HEARS MY SIDE OF THE ISSUE, AND THE TOWN HAS TO PAY ME MILLIONS arguement.
Does anyone know what the judge decided or when he will make his dicision?
Damn! What wrong with you people? Heath care is NOT a right. You should have the right to choose whether you want to pay for it or not have it at all.
Let's just give the government all our money and they can spend it on all the deadbeats in this country! I think it is called Communism! Yes this is the CHANGE we all bargain for and let's not forget HOPE! Hope we can turn this BS around come November and repeal this stupid bill.
This used to be a country where you got rewarded for being ambitious and hard working. Now you get the rewards for sitting on your a%%!
I do believe that getting health insurance is your right to choose. Not everyone wants to have it. It's that simple. I can remember was I was younger, I choose not to have it by my own being. I can't believe under the new law, if you choose not to have health insurance, you have to pay a fine. This is wrong, The american government should not dictate to anyone what they "need" to have, Period! This is a free country ( or was one ), but it's getting to be more like a communist state. March 21'st is your new holiday, Dependance Day!
Mr. or Ms. Moderator, would you please start a blog for Health Care on the Presidential Blog for these people to blog on? That is a National Issue, NOT a local Atkinson issue. Please post when completed so these people will have a PROPER forum.
Geeeeez guys......I know health care is an important issue, just not here, ok?
Presidential Blog can let you have all the time you want, without chewing up time here.
Have a go at it and we'll see how many people you attract.
I think the Osborns are done in this town. (hopefully everyplace else) I think Daniel knows that Maggie screwed up in taking on the DES and Mrs. Davis and realizes they can't get out from under without paying up big time.
I think they can hear the "FAT LADY" warming up and that's why they are not blogging.
Hopefully, it will cost them enough so they won't try their illegal taking in this town again.
Anon 4:07,
There is nothing wrong with me. You do not have your facts straight.
1. If you receive health insurance from an employer, your coverage does not change.
2. If you are an employer of more than 50 people and your employee receives gov't subsidized health insurance, employer pays a hefty fee. So, there is good incentive now to offer health insurance to employees. Again, health insurance through your employer! BTW, part-time employees are included in this count. So, employers will now have more incentive to offer health insurance to part-timers. Think about that...
3. Legislation enforces stricter regulation on insurance companies. This is good! People cannot be dropped due illness. Insurance cannot be denied due to preexisting conditions.Parents can choose to keep their children on their health insurance plan until age 26. Tell me if you think it is fair if you were buying your own health insurance for years, you never miss a payment, you become sick and when you need the insurance the most, you are dropped. This is the system in place now and you want the "right" to choose coverage like that?
4. Seniors pay lower prescription prices.
5. Small business receive many benefits. Finally, the chance to pool businesses into a group plan, which will lower costs. And they immediately get a sizable tax credit until the state group insurance exchanges are created.
How is this communism? Do you understand the definition of the word? There is no public/government plan that everyone is forced into.
Stop listening to extreme right talk radio and research the facts. Parroting the words of Republican ENTERTAINERS gets you nowhere fast.
The GOP, which unanimously voted against this plan, may be the party with the most to fear come November!
"Let's just give the government all our money and they can spend it on all the deadbeats in this country!"
So, according to you someone working a minimum wage job, or near to it, has an employer who does not provide insurance, and can choose to pay their rent or pay for insurance is a "Deadbeat?" Spoken like someone who has employer provided insurance. You do know that not everyone is blessed with a good paying job and employer provided benefits, don't you?
And I love this bit about it leading us to communism. Then that would mean Canada, Great Britain, France, Germany, The Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Austria, Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan and the list goes on, are all headed the same way? Taiwan is ranked 1st in the world regarding health care. Seems to me they are trying to do everything they can not to become communist.
Why is it before last week the United States was the only major country in the world whose citizens could be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition, lose everything if they had a serious illness (it does happen, even to non deadbeats), could have an insurance company say, "Sorry, you're cut off", a senior citizen would have to decide whether to pay for their prescriptions or food.
Consider this: Many many lower income people who can't afford insurance go to the Emergency Room when they get sick or injured. Even a minor thing can run into the $1,000's. What happens; the hospital goes unpaid and us taxpayers eventually end up with the bill. Now, what is cheaper, getting the person insurance, or keep things the way they were?
I think many low income people with families to feed, cloth and shelter and work hard to make ends met despite how hard they work would feel being called a "Deadbeat" highly offensive.
This is not motorcycle helmet law we're talking about. This is about saving lives and not going to the poor house in the process.
And, this is not going to drain the treasury. If you have a job and insurance, it does not affect you one bit. The ones who are really going to take on the chin are the insurance companies. Now they will be forced to use some of those huge profits and be required to help those who need it.
This is not about turning the country toward communism. It is about giving all our CITIZENS the protection they need and putting us on par with the rest of the 1st world countries.
The government has been telling its citizens since its inception things they have to do. You have to pay taxes. You have to obey the law. Some states require you to have auto insurance. You need a occupancy permit before you move into a house.
You know what happens when the government stops telling it's citizens what to do? A little thing called anarchy. Is that what you would prefer?
Remember Sgt. Latham? It was he and his family who had to pay when their insurance dried up. Would you call him a deadbeat?
The health insurance problem is all Osborns fault. They caused it. I hope they're happy.
Don't count on it. There is a SUCKER BORN EVERYDAY and ONE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. The Osborns are looking for the sucker, so they can take advantage of them.
Someone was right here when they talked about SCUM. Maggie as the mouthpiece, and Daniel right behind her telling her what to say. Talk about bottom fish.
jmho
Nice try. The Osborns are a whole different problem (s) that have nothing to do with health care. Although if you were Mrs. Davis, I'm sure the Osborns don't care what they are doing to her health and neither do you.
Cut the health care problems here and tell us how you would like the government to deal with the Osborns ILLEGAL TAKING while trying to make Mrs. Davis sick.
It's called the PECKING ORDER. Osborns peck on Mrs. Davis's head hoping to make her sick and die, before the courts can peck on the Osborns heads to make them pay.
Do you guys have an insurance company that will cover illegal taking? Perhaps we need to cover that too at your expense.
jmho
Why did Bernie Madoff go to prison? To make it simple, he talked people into investing with him. Trouble was, he didn't invest their money. As time rolled on he simply took the money from the new investors to pay off the old investors. Finally there were too many old investors and not enough money from new investors coming in to keep the payments going. Next thing you know Madoff is one of the most hated men in America and he is off to jail.
Some of you know this .. but not enough of you . Madoff did to his investors what the government has been doing to us for over 60 years with Social Security. There is no meaningful difference between the two schemes ... except that one was operated by a private individual who is now in jail, and the other is operated by politicians who enjoy perks, privileges and status in spite of their actions.
Do you need a side-by-side comparison? Well here's a nifty little chart.
BERNIE MADOFF
SOCIAL SECURITY
Takes money from investors with the promise that the money will be invested and made available to them later
Takes money from wage earners with the promise that the money will be invested in a "The Social Security Trust Fund" and made available later.
Instead of investing the money Madoff spends it on nice homes in the Hamptons and yachts.
Instead of depositing money in a Trust Fund the politicians use it for general spending and vote buying.
When the time comes to pay the investors back Madoff simply uses some of the new funds from newer investors to pay back the older investors.
When benefits for older investors become due the politicians pay them with money taken from younger and newer wage earners to pay the geezers.
When Madoff's scheme is discovered all hell breaks loose. New investors won't give him any more cash.
When Social Security runs out of money they simply force the taxpayers to send them some more.
Bernie Madoff is in jail.
Politicians remain in Washington.
Fine. When you're eligible for Social Security, don't apply. Say, are your parents or grandparents alive? Call'm up and tell them Social Security is a communist plot to undermine our country and they should withdraw immediately. Same for Medicare. Hope they saved well.
My father was forced to retire early for health reasons when I was very young. Because I was a minor I got benefits. My mother saved those and they help put me through college. Now I have a good job, volunteer my services, and pay my taxes, far more than I ever received. I think that worked out for society pretty well.
If the Republicans had their way the very rich would pay no taxes, the rich some, and the common joe the bulk. Yet, you still want a military. Those flight controllers come in handy during trips. The interstates make getting to work easier. Would you be happier if we did away with all that? Hell, we should get rid of taxes completely, except for those that give our congressmen and senators the best health care our money can buy. Think they are going to give that up?
Bernie Madoff got away with what he did for so long for one reason: peoples greed. He told people they were entitled to better returns and in their greed, they believed it. Please, tell me. How does Bernie Madoff compare to the millions of elderly who would be destitute without Social Security? Is that greed in your mind?
"This is a free country ( or was one ), but it's getting to be more like a communist state. March 21'st is your new holiday, Dependance Day!"
So if I understand you right, you don't like the government telling what to do and we should be free to do what we want.
Why don't you go to where that pill popping blowhard Limbaugh said he'd go, Costa Rica. Oh, wait, they have universal health care to. Damn. Let's see. Oh I got it, the perfect place for you, Somalia. No health care, no gun laws, no taxes, no government - perfect, a Republican's dream country.
I'll help. Where should I send your plane ticket?
Bottom line you liberals know that we can't afford your programs. Why try to justify something we can't afford. Broke is Broke and nothing good will come from it. Not for your or your kids or mine. You are unwilling to work for the good of this country, then just say so. Don't put the debt onto our kids for your greed. You are just like the Osborns trying to take our land and money for your own greed.
Your represent the future destruction of our country, and the real people that enjoy freedom reject your premise.
See: http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/main-event-ryan-v-obama
Obama needs to go just like you need to go. You are not good for freedom.
jmho
jmho
Please do not forget who got us into this mess. We're in a war that was sold to us on lies. We had as close to a economic breakdown as most of us have seen in our lifetime. We had pushed on us an unfunded program called, "No Child Left Behind." that left many school districts in tatters.
The big spending started with W and he left it for someone else to clean up. Oh, don't forget his administration had all the signs. Had warnings. Yet, he read a story book to a bunch a school children and looked bewildered when 9/11 happened. Now, we have someone else that is trying to do the right thing. Convince me that health care for everyone is morally bad.
The deficit started with W and now his party wants to blame someone else for it.
We can't afford the Iraq war, yet it goes one. We can't afford the Afgan war but it is needed. What we've paid for in Iraq in dollars and lives is trivial to what providing every citizen with health care costs.
I hear all these lame justifications why health care is bad, yet I don't see the same outrage regarding a war we were suckered into. Why is that?
A week ago you, YES YOU, were at risk of losing your insurance through some unforeseen circumstance, like being injured on the job or contracting a serious form of cancer, and then finding out your insurance could find some excuse to deny you coverage because of a pre-existing condition, no matter how trivial.
You say we can't afford it. I say, how can we not.
You want to go back to the way it was. Vote Republican in the fall, and if elected, watch the the Republicans f**k it up again. All evidence points to one thing. They don't give a damn for you or me. It's those who write the big checks that count, and W said so himself.
You want to help cut the deficit? Refuse to buy anything Chinese, if that is at all possible. Take a look at "Made in" on all your electronics and tell me why the Democrats are to blame? What president was it again that restored relations with China?
The fiscal impact will not be as bad as the Republicans would have you believe. They have become very good at lies and distractions to fool the feeble minded. Just like Bubble Head's death panels. Lies to stir up the riff raft.
There was another time in history when all people were looking for was good news and someone else to blame for their problems on. The government learned that a lie, told enough times, became the truth in the peoples minds. It was an extreme right wing government. Do you know what country I'm talking about? Those referred to as the "Greatest Generation" who gave their all defending us from them are dying off at a very high rate because they are in their 80's now. Is that what you wish for us. Do you want a government who will tell you what is wrong with your life and who to blame for it?
So, please, tell us again why this was bad? Why it only benefits the "Deadbeats." I want to hear some real reasons. Not a Bernie Madoff analogy. Not "I don't want no damn government telling what to do" reasons.
Why are you so bereft of compassion that it is OK with you for someone to lose everything they have, or watch their child die, because they cannot get insurance?
jmho
It didn't start with W, it started with Clinton. Get your facts straight and stop telling lies.
As usual when the libs get backed into a corner they scream "BUSHES FAULT".
I will say that 90% of people getting welfare checks are deadbeats. Another nicely run program by the gov. Oh no That was BUSHES FAULT TOO!
Or the fact that Obama is a staunch progressive and most libs being like lemmings just can't think or do for themselves. This is just what the radical left loves, Follow me over the cliff it won't hurt and even if it does we will fix you on the working mans dime. And after that if you join me we will get you a house that you can't afford ( didn't we already try that), don't worry the poor bast^%^ that has busted his a&& his whole life will gladly share his wealth with you.HAHAHAHAH What a bunch of dopes! Scary part is they have almost all of their way now. Just like Europe with all their great programs! They will slowly fall due to this socialism cr%^ and we will be next.
God, gun's, and guts made this great country and the whining sniffling moon-bats want to destroy it, what a shame!
Actually, when a liberal is backed into a corner, we scream Bush's fault. When a republican, like Anon 5:18 AM, is backed into a corner, whatever shred of comprehension of grammar and spelling they have vanishes!
Honestly, whoever you are, given your lack of ability to write coherently, it's difficult to take you seriously when:
1. You cannot spell.
2. You have no understanding of grammar.
3. When you rattle off empty, almost illiterate, phrases such as "God, gun's, and guts made this great country and the whining sniffling moon-bats want to destroy it, what a shame!"
Why is there an apostrophe with guns? What do the guns own? Do the guns own the guts? And when you refer to the BUSHES, are you implying that we are blaming HW AND W? Or are we blaming the whole Bush family? Or maybe you think we are blaming the guy who sells the baked beans?
The problem is when you do not know how to write, no one knows what the hell you're talking about. However, I suspect you do not know what the hell you are talking about either.
I spent time at the Social Security Office in Haverhill last Fall, doing some errands for my elderly parents. Of the 90 people I saw in the three hours I was there, only a handfull actually looked like they were over 60.
The rest looked young and able-bodied to me. And I don't think they were doing errands for anyone but themselves. It looked more like the Unemployment Office. No wonder Social Security is going broke.
LOL! I can't spell. I had only a 9th grade education. It might show in my post but I am a lot smarter than you because I know when someone is trying to shove something up my a**!
I am a self made millionaire, yep and still can't spell. Paid for my own health care, never made an insurance claim and will never take a handout from the government. I have been disabled for 15 years and never applied for SSI. Never will. Still I can't spell! BO HOO you called me a dumb ass! hahaha You got to do better that that.
Anon 8:43 AM,
You are correct! You cannot spell. You also have no understanding of grammar and punctuation. I also suspect you are a complete liar. How can you, Mr. Millionaire, be disabled AND never have made an insurance claim? My name is Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht. LOL!!!
Provide some facts please Daddy Warbucks. Anon 10:46 p.m. asked you for reasons to further explain some of the stupid and callous things you write and instead we were treated to empty warnings about communism and socialism. No facts whatsoever to back up your growing list of outlandish claims.
Where is the presidential section of this blog of which thou speaketh?
Thought I'd lighten things up a bit with some healthcare humor from Monty Python...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68GeL8PafE
"It didn't start with W, it started with Clinton. Get your facts straight and stop telling lies."
You are absolutely right. How could I get my presidents mixed up. 9/11 happened on Clinton's watch having ignored the warnings he was getting. It was Bill who lied to get a war he was determined to start costing the country billions and costing the lives of over 3000 good men and women (still looking for those WMDs). It was Bill who left his successor with a trillion dollar deficit and an economy near collapse. It was Bill's lawyers who declared torture was legal. It was Bill who eased the regulations on commodities trading that led to the rampant speculation that sent gas prices over $4 a gallon.
Sorry. I'll get my facts straight next time.
"I am a self made millionaire, yep and still can't spell. Paid for my own health care, never made an insurance claim and will never take a handout from the government."
That's the solution then. Why didn't we see it. We all become millionaires. Problem solved,
Reminds me of the old joke. "How to become a millionaire and be happy. First you get a million dollars."
March 26, 2010 8:22 AM
So you documented what all those people were doing there, right? You know for a fact that all these so called able bodied people were there cheating the government, right?
Yes sir. A single 3 hour sample of observations from a waiting room is proof enough for me that we're being screwed.
You know, what I do observe coming from our conservative good neighbors here is lots of stories and allegations, but very little in the way of facts.
The libs, as some are calling them, are printing actual facts. The conservs depend on talking points.
The libs are asking a lot of questions why the conservs think things are bad. Why are they not getting specific answers?
Why can't we get a specific answer to why it is bad that insurance companies can no longer deny coverage for our children because of a pre-existing condition? Or why it is bad that an insurance company could say "enough" after a 3rd bout of cancer.
Answer me these two questions, in good conscience, not some canned attack, and I'll vote for Bubble Head if she's nominated.
Here are a few good reads...
HMOs' Rise Driven by Government, Not Market
and
Health Care in a Free Society
For what it's worth, I am neither republican nor democrat.
Made my money the hard way WORKING MY TAIL OFF. The same opportunities as anyone else in this country. I have arthritis so bad I can not work but I made enough money to pay for my medical bills and invested wisely. Yes that is what you call taking a risk! Why do you need to make a claim when your doctor deems you handicap, oh I know because you need the government to pay for it.
Once a rodent always a rodent so just follow the others right off that big old cliff! heh heh heh!
What was that song hmmmmm.."See you in November" something like that...Thank God election ballots are multiple choice, well for me anyway. I wouldn't want to mix up the d's with the R's!
I hope you paid your mortgage because if you did you missed out on a free ride from your government owned bank. Every day is like Christmas for the deadbeats in this country.
March 26, 2010 2:14 PM
Again, a lot of rant and all about yourself. That's the thing with Republicans, the party of me.
Yes, I will acknowledge there are deadbeats among us. I also know many in dire straits through no fault of their own.
Not everyone has an opportunity to become rich, no matter how hard they work. Not everyone has the talent for investment. I know I don't. The thing is, the Republican part today only cares about you and your equals. If you fall on hard times due to a serious illness, it's your own damn fault for getting sick.
To be a good Republican you need two things. An operation to remove that part of the brain that feels empathy and then taking away your moral compass.
The party of Lincoln. If Abraham Lincoln, whom I consider the best we ever had, were to run as a Republican today, what kind of support do you think the party would give him, the man who freed the slaves. Hmmmm.
Sorry, not everyone is rich, not everyone is smart and not everyone is white.
I don't like deadbeats and cheats anymore than you. But I also believe it was a disgrace for country like ours to have a system where you could become destitute because you had the misfortune to get sick.
You see, we can agree on some things. However, I acknowledge life is not as black and white as you and brethren now make it out to be.
I think November "will" be very interesting. I think the Republican party chose the wrong issue to make their stand on. When the dust settles and the populace takes into account what has happen these past few months, the Republican party is in for a huge shock. I guess we'll see.
In the last election 84% of republican donations were individual donations of $1,000 or less.
77% of Democrat donations came from PAC's and 527's. SEIU alone donated over $38,000,000.00
Who is the party of the individual?
Dems think Government is the solution.
Reps, think government is NEVER the solution.
As in Wikipedia, your source is your credibility. Care to share?
He's right you know. Statistics are only as good as the source of the data.
And, you know what they say about statistics, they can be manipulated to prove anything you want.
In 1948 virtually every poll taken, often used as common source a data for statistics, showed Dewey winning in a landslide. Only problem, they only polled affluent white people. I believe you can easily find a picture of Harry Truman holding a newspaper with the headlines, "Dewey wins."
Harry Truman. Self educated, served honorably in WWI, ensnared in scandal, and single handily brought to justice war profiteers in WWII. As president he made one of the most difficult decisions ever made, to A-Bomb Japan. Do you think he was wrong given an enemy for whom surrender was not an option. How many American lives do you think he saved with that decision? Ask any living WWII European Vet who was on his way to Japan what he thought his chances of surviving was.
He also instituted the Marshal Plan which saved most of Europe from communist Russia. Then there was the Berlin airlift. What a example of the bad Socialist he was.
Oh my gosh, a Democrat. What if Dewey had won. You really think Europe would be the same?
Cost us a lot of money. Think it was worth it?
So, site your sources, and I surely hope for you it is not from Limbaugh.
DID YOU KNOW THAT THE TA IS RELATED TO DALE CHILDS
No.......?
Does he tell people?
Think he would want to admit it? I sure wouldn't.
You can pick your friends. You can't pick your relation.
TA is related to Dale Childs.....
NOW THAT'S A BAD OMEN! If true, know why he was hired.
jmho
March 30, 2010 12:02 AM
Before you go off in that direction might if not be wise to find out just how he's related, if he really is. I've seen no proof or degree of relation here.
That makes it, lets see, a rumor for now.
Agreed it's a rumor BUT if TRUE and confirmed, would you find that interesting in Atkinson Politics? Smoke, fire and all that stuff.
I judge a man by his character, achievements, and efforts.
So far, it is only a point of interest for me. I see no reason to take the conspiracy route.
Unless there are some facts in here somewhere I see no reason to discuss it further.
You wouldn't discuss it if the Facts were right in your face. You would go off into another direction.
Well, why don't we start with some and see what happens? You don't know me so you have no idea what I'd do.
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